6. 5 Supplements Myths Pt 1 w/ Tom Houle

Tom Houle 0:03

We need to ensure that not only applications via clinical research so there's science to back it up. But that is pure and with regards to the certificate of analysis and quality control process that goes into it to ensure that it's safe and ultimately going to get the results that we desire amongst our patients.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 0:23

Welcome to the longevity blueprint podcast, I'm your host, Dr. Stephanie gray. My number one goal with the show is to help you discover your personalized plan to build your dream health and live a longer, happier, truly healthier life. You're about to hear from Tom Poole, who is brilliant and an expert when it comes to supplements. This is part one of a two part series where we will be debunking five supplement myths. And although there is no pill, potion or powder that will replace lifestyle changes. Let's face it after having changed our diets for the better. We still need to supplement and reasons behind that are going to be explained in the upcoming episodes.

We're going to start this episode with why supplements are not created equal. Let's begin. Thank you for joining me for another episode of the longevity blueprint podcast. The topic for today's podcast is the top five supplement myths you need to know about. My guest today is Tom hole. Tom represents a premier dietary supplement manufacturer and the doctor exclusive channel, which leads the way in proactive health and wellness as it relates to the healthcare industry. He has spent the better part of the last decade partnering with functional and integrative medical practices in order to get patients better faster through education and practice building.

Through consultation. He specializes in developing customized strategies to increase patient compliance consequently, improving patient outcomes while creating a streamlined process to aid in the efficiency within the patient experience. So full disclaimer, Tom works for our manufacturing partner, which is orthomolecular. He is our educational representative and I just want to put that out there from the very beginning. I've known Tom for years. I just like to be transparent with our audience and with our patients, of course. So who better to bring on to talk about supplements than our manufacturing partner? So I'm excited to have Tom on today. So thank you for being here.

Tom Houle 2:13

honored to be here.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 2:14

So my first introduction to orthomolecular was as a nurse practitioner students. So in my final semester, I shadowed another nurse practitioner who had an independent practice, which I thought was really cool. And I thought maybe one day, I can do this and here I am now with an independent practice. So I was honored to be able to shadow her. And interestingly, one day a rep came in for orthomolecular and talked to us about this liver detox program.

And I thought, well, you know, I was raised in a, what I consider to be very healthy family. We went to the chiropractor, we, my parents, were juicing wheatgrass on the counter, we were taking our supplements, so it wasn't unusual for me to consider doing something like a liver detox. So she gave it to me at her cost. And she said, Hey, you know, try this. And I was I was pretty amazed with the results I thought I liked This company their stuff works like I need to I need to hear more about ortho. I my brain fog went away on this. I didn't even know I had brain fog actually, but my mind cleared and which was very beneficial being this was my final semester of grad school and I was going to take my boards, so the timing was good. My brain fog cleared up, I lost weight, I had better energy, which was partially not just to do in the detox, but I had gone gluten free and I have no idea that I had a major gluten sensitivity at that time. That was when I was first discovering this.

So I feel very thankful that that day that I was there, this rep came in and introduced me to ortho in the liver detox program. And I've been a believer since i just i heavily believe in high quality supplements. And that's why I wanted to talk to Tom today. Now, if you know me, you know, I'm very close to my brothers. I have two younger brothers, and we used to always watch Mythbusters we didn't get to watch a lot of TV growing up, but we watched Mythbusters we enjoyed the experiments that they would do on that show. Because we wanted to know if this were you know, true False. And so, today I want to talk about some supplement myths. I want to preface and start this podcast by saying something that I always say that there's no pill, potion or powder that's going to replace lifestyle changes, right?

We have to change our lifestyle, like I needed to go gluten free, I will always be gluten free. There's no supplement I can take that's going to allow me to just eat gluten, right? So to the viewers and audience out there. Again, there's no pill, there's no supplement that's going to replace lifestyle changes and ortho, molecular heavily believes that. But I do think supplements are very necessary in the world we live in and we're going to talk a bit more about that today. So we're gonna just dive into the myth. Tom is a very intelligent guy I always enjoy conversing with him. So he's gonna have he's gonna enlighten us today. So let's start with the top myth that I want to go over, which is that all supplements are created equal. I would say that's false. So what do you think, Tom? What do you think about that?

Tom Houle 4:58

You know, I get that. Question or I would say objection all the time when I'm having those conversations with family members, friends, oh, you know, all systems are the same. All vitamin D is the same official and say, Well, you know, I would throw it back to them and say, well, it's all the same or all restaurants who say no, there's varying levels of quality, especially when it comes to the source. And when we think about, I would say I would draw the line, there's a difference between or retail, you know, things you're going to find on the shelf at, you know, big, cheaper markets versus something you're going to get from your clinician that's more of a professional or nutraceutical or pharmaceutical grade, and you'll hear that you explained via different pronouns I guess you'd say, but the difference really is the quality and the sourcing of the raw material when in the retail channel in the supermarket channel, their budget, their dollars that are spent for that shelf space are spent on marketing.

So that's where the majority of dollars go to versus the professional trainer channel where Neither doctor recommended products. And so the majority of cost goes into a higher quality of raw material because these are used as medicines in a short in clinics like yours, Dr. Grey to actually impact lab values. And so we have to have not only a higher potency, but a higher standardization of active ingredient within the raw material. And so when we're looking for specific raw materials to include in a product for a specific purpose or rationale, we need to ensure that not only that application to be a clinical research, so there's science to back it up. But that is pure and with regards to the certificate of analysis and quality control process that goes into it to ensure that it's safe and ultimately going to get the results that we desire amongst our patients.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 6:49

Can you give me some examples of where you source ingredients from like what countries like when we think of what it takes to get a pill from the plant on the farm to Don't even the pill that ingredient that's coming from the plant on the farm in whatever country all the way to our shelves. Like when we think of that process like, Can you give us some examples of where these products are coming from, like where you choose selectively to source ingredients from?

Tom Houle 7:15

Yeah, absolutely. And I would also preface that by saying different plants. And ultimately different sources have different phytochemical makeup in different climates around the world. So depending on the plant will depend on the region of the world. And then of course, when we think about certain quality things, you know, you want to trust and verify and we've had relationships with our raw material suppliers for over three decades, some of them, but we're always ensuring that hey, you know, things happen. Whether it be logistically, or from a sourcing standpoint, we're always bringing things in and testing them before they even enter our facility.

From DNA mass spec in layer four Target all these scientific validating measurements to assess quality and ultimately ensure that there's it's safe and pure. But when it comes to regional sourcing, when we have a standardization for a specific active ingredient, for instance, I'll take bergamont is utilized in support of cardiovascular health, a lot of clinicians are using it to help aid in healthy cholesterol balance. There's specific poly phenolic fractions that are part of that burden off fruit that grows in one specific region of the world to ensure highest winterization of those things are high density of these Polish emails. And that's actually Calabria, Italy. And so we can only get that this particular sourced bergamont from that region of the world, and we standardized five specific polyphenol ik fraction that are shown in the research to have particular benefits as it relates to cardiovascular health. More particularly cholesterol balance. So that's just one example.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 9:04

Yeah, that's good. So I mentioned this in chapter seven of my book when I'm talking about nutrients. So we can use to reduce cardiovascular disease, that we carry a product called citrus bergamot, which correct me if I'm wrong has been? Well, we'll just say, utilized by the population in Italy, which has been discovered as a Blue Zone, because of the reduced cardiovascular risk. So, obviously, supplement companies and individuals want to capitalize on the benefits of what we're finding throughout these Blue Zones, but it's just not that easy.

And that if one of my patients is purchasing bergamont, from California from another country, or country, state, couldn't be state or country, I can't guarantee they're going to get the benefits that they would get if they purchase the product from a clinician like myself, who knows the manufacturer is sourcing the ingredient from where the original research was conducted, like we know, even though I don't remember all the poly phenolic you know, fragments whatever You just said, which is over my head, I can trust that. And I want my patients to trust me that I'm looking into.

And in working with a manufacturer who's doing all that research, you're doing that behind the scenes, so we can guarantee they're going to get a product that is sourced appropriately at the correct potency that's gonna have what the original research claims, you know, state this nutrient can do for that patient. So I really appreciate that about ortho. But what about, like alpha lipoic acid, that's another nutrient we use to help patients detox and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure a lot of nutrients like alpha lipoic acid could come from China, but you strategically choose to not source it from China, which would be a cheaper option for you, you instead get it from Germany. Is that correct?

Tom Houle 10:46

Yeah, our source our supplier resides in Germany and, and I'll add another level of knowledge here for your for your community and that with not all raw material being equal and also being equal. There's different extraction processes that are allowed in different countries, there's different regulations, obviously China know, hey, you know, they they're gonna regulate their dietary supplement industry different than than we do and just like other countries, but when it comes to the manufacturing of them, there's solvent based extraction process that use pretty harsh chemicals such as benzene, I know that, unfortunately is is how the majority of alpha lipoic acid is extracted from white potato actually. And of course, there may be some of that chemical, latent and the finished good.

So we choose based on the quality and of course safety and efficacy. We're going to choose a source that is more clean as it relates to the extraction. So we choose source out of Germany that is enzymatically extracted and of course, yes, there is a significant cost associated with that raw material compared to that, that is all been extracted, you know, when we're thinking about this just the safety piece of conversation, we're gonna pay more versus something that may be found at a retail channel where we're looking at low quality in order to spend more money on marketing and then also lower the cost to the patient which is why you can get a bottle of something like fish oil 1000 capsules visual for $20 and you know, 120 bottles count bottle, maybe from your line doctor great, he was gonna run three or four times that cost and be significantly less quantity, there's a difference in its quality.

I will add one more thing and maybe it's more of a just a something that that can stick in the patient's mind. If you start with something like a piece of dirt, it doesn't matter what type of rapper you buy, what type of bottle and what kind of fancy marketing you do. At the end of the day, it's still a piece of dirt. And unfortunately, there is definitely a lot of putting lipstick, lipstick on pigs when it comes to this stuff. News not unfortunately gives the supplement industry a bad name, and leads to a lot of the admit that that we're talking about today.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 13:07

So tell me what a consumer could look for on a label to help them determine if the product is really high quality or not, because they're not going to know that if the extraction process or the source of the product. So what could a consumer look for on a label to help them identify that product as being really high quality?

Tom Houle 13:26

Yeah, absolutely. One of the things that immediately comes to mind is looking at different forms of minerals in there, say multivitamin. And there's different forms such as carbonate, citrate and oxides, we want to stay away from oxides, but there's a single form that stands out, head and shoulders above the rest, and that is amino acid keyways.

There is not only the most absorbed, but they're the most therapeutic with the least amount of potential side effects. Like for instance, I'll take magnesium. It's a very it's one of the most well utilized in the industry. at Worlds from the supplemental standpoint, it's responsible for hundreds of enzymatic process in the body and, and ultimately, this is one that's really important to not be deficient in. I mean it is absolutely essential to a lot of processes.

And so we partner with the world renowned supplier in mineral key later. And what that means is these minerals these metal ions such as magnesium is bound to an amino acid which is almost ubiquitous as far as receptor sites in our gut. And our body absolutely respect amino acids, the building block of life so naturally our body's gonna accept them. When they're bound to. When I when I say accept them, except the mineral that bound to amino acids don't like you can pass go collect $200 no problem, versus something like an oxide or a carbonate that may cross react to other metal ions in the gut, they're less stable, they may bind and also lead to things like Loose bowels and diarrhea.

Now, our partner albian lab is the premier in as far as world renowned, there's a premier amino acid kit, they actually have over 170 patents. And they create what's called the real amino acids that you'll see on the label as tra. So track to spell out tracks, the real amino acid QA, and to differentiate what patients may be seeing on a label, they may see a magnesium key later on a label on a retail product that's trying to like sell them, you know, ask you like, what if it doesn't say what the key light is? So it shouldn't say something like magnesium glycinate or magnesium glycinate.

And again, if we get to the marketing piece, if you say, hey, guess what that company may be killing it with this one, whichever one is on this count. So this patch may be a glycinate next match via might be this glycinate. Maybe it was about to turn At the raw material suppliers, they put it on discount. So you always want to know exactly what things are bound to what they're committed. So transparency on a label is extremely important. And we got to get away from marketing and really pay attention to the science here. And that's why from a professional channel standpoint, consumers should rely on their clinician to do that for them. Because the condition, of course, is only going to recommend things generally, like yourself are only gonna recommend things that they know are going to help their patients because it does nobody good. If the patient's not getting better. And the most expensive supplement, I would argue is the one that doesn't work.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 16:33

Well said Well said. I want to try to reiterate what you said because all of that was wonderful. So to just summarize, for the audience, I kind of talked a lot No, that's good.

Tom Houle 16:43

That

Dr. Stephanie Gray 16:46

amino acid key lated version right. key light is a synonym for bounder or piggyback. So what we like to recommend our patients take and what you literally will see on our bottles, you will see what he mentioned in the label. So on the back of the supplement label where it says magnesium, it will say tra ACS, all capital letters, that is the patented trademarked Albion lab, you know, key lated source or, I don't know, sources around word version of that amino acid key light. That's the good stuff. That's what you want to look for.

They are the industry leader. So that's what you're going to find on our supplements. like Tom mentioned, if you're not taking the key weight, your magnesium could just go right through you and cause diarrhea. If you're taking an articulated iron, the iron may do the opposite and may cause constipation. We want the minerals to get absorbed into the gut. And so he was he was saying that your gut loves amino acids. So if this magnesium is piggybacked on to an amino acid and the gut loves amino acids, that's going to facilitate that magnesium on that amino acid getting absorbed into the gut lining and so it is really brilliant, brilliant process.

We're just trying to give our body what our body wants and what it needs. So that's the and that's also the difference again between a lot of retail supplements and what you're going to get with a professional line. But just because a label says key late which that's how we name our products our magnesium key is the name of our magnesium product. That doesn't necessarily mean it's going to contain this tra CS the the amino acid candidate solution so that's what you want to look for on a label that's great advice great advice to the consumer. What about speaking official you brought official let's talk about the see to shelf life from many for for fish oil I was asking earlier about okay and or right when we think of it growing on a farm and getting into a bottle of shelves, we think official that's coming from the sea. So we're not near the ocean. How long is the average industry time from for official to be manufactured from the sea until it hits the shelf and how does that compare with The official manufacturer we're choosing to partner with you, you guys. Can you speak to that a little bit?

Tom Houle 19:05

Yeah, and I want to kind of paint a picture real quick before I before I throw kind of that that number out because it really goes into what creates that long logistical time from catch to capital as you will and and when we source official for instance, so any every supplement company out there, I'm not aware of any professional retail that owns their own fishery that catches the fish and does the encapsulation themselves and then put it on the shelf.

Almost all fish oil product is outsourced to a supplier. Now, the interesting thing is that most of the fish oil suppliers, outsource the fishing so they'll contract with fishery to go to get boats to go out and get fish. Bring the fish back and then the supplier will then process the fish and ultimately get that to a supplement provider or manufacturers such as ours. Now, there's different parts of that process that are generally outsourced such as molecular distillation. So there's different pieces that are ultimately across the globe, that require putting a big bat of this fish oil into a shipping container and then shipping it around the world. And not just like, you know, putting it on an airplane and flying it somewhere. It takes a long time to get around the world. And generally, up until more recently, these molecular simulation studies were in China and Europe.

And so, that being the case, you know, one China, you know, we don't know the questionable quality there, as I believe all of our consumers here are aware of the other being Europe and it's the majority of fish which you know, is the case is sourced off the coast of South America. It's the least industrialized coastline in the world. There's a lot of Fisheries there. There's deep cold waters off the coast there in between Antarctica and South America, that there's just a huge biomass of fish. So if you consider that they have to catch it there and then ship it around the world a lot of time. And so the industry average of catch the capsule, more particularly in the retail channel, and even some sources especially, is upwards of 18, sometimes even as long as 36 months.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 21:25

That's just nuts that I mean, I would think official would be rancid by then, like, how could they keep it fresh? I don't know. That's just my instinct.

Tom Houle 21:33

That's another question and I want First I want to say your official By the way, the official that we source is from a supplier that is located in Chile. So located in South America, they own the entire process. So they own the fishery, the most that catch the fish than that, which are dolphin tree, mind you, as well as the molecular distillation facility and the state of the art lab where everything is happening in one spot. So no logistics involved outside of you know going to another campus within their their confines. And to the catch the capital time is as little can be as little as short as three months. So that three to six month range is generally when it goes from catch capital, and then ultimately ends up on the shelf in your clinic, which is amazing when you consider the difference from 18 to 36 months.

Now to answer your question on the rancidity piece, so one yeah, shortening that cycle. That time span between each capsule is of course going to have a drastic effect on rancidity or lack thereof and in our case, but we also add in a lot of other companies will will do certain things to try and prevent that through. Sometimes they'll add castle flavorings and don't tear coat it to hide it. That way. You don't burn it up where it basically happens here and your passes through your stomach and then And then do odd no gut and then break open which renders essentially ineffective because it needs to be the most absorbed in our duodenum.

So bypasses that just not going to get a most divided and utilized properly. So our product that you contract through us is not only as the triglycerides form so much more absorbed and then more incorporated to address inflammation, which is why we take fish oil in the first place. But we use things like rosemary and vitamin D or mixed tocopherol to help from an oxidation standpoint to preserve that particular efficiency to prevent oxidation. Not only that, but we're also doing primary and secondary oxidation testing, looking at 500 different environmental toxins to ensure that there are no quality concerns or toxicity concerns.

Yep, so that's a whole other thing that we could get into even like things like mercury, cadmium, arsenic lead, we use an E us certified or use standardized more other testing facility out of Germany called euro saying that no tests well below the standardization or recommendation of the FDA as it relates to things like mercury, we're talking about 1000 times better, or lower standardization, and you're gonna allow by the FDA. And we don't have to do that. But we do because we want to go above and beyond to ensure quality. And not only that, but we are working with, you know, other countries that do require a better standardization. So we want to make sure that we're meeting their standards above and beyond. So, of course, here in the United States, your patients get to benefit from that higher level of standardization that that we we aim to provide.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 24:46

We love it. That's why we carry your products. Go back to the mention of the triglyceride form of fish oil, so I think most individuals have never heard of this. So when you consume a supplement, you want to consume it in the most natural form, right like if I made Salmon, I would be getting that the benefit of oil in what's called this triglyceride form. If I going to consume a synthetic fish oil, the manufacturing of that process kind of destroys that most not our process destroys that form and attaches an extra alcohol molecule which is harder for the body to detoxify. So can you expand on that a little bit how most special products are in this synthetic ethyl Ester form? and ours is not ours is in this triglyceride form? Maybe expand on that? I didn't say that. Right. Yeah,

Tom Houle 25:31

absolutely. So what I will start with is that all fish oil processing is the same to an extent. So it starts off the same so you catch the fish, you bring the fish into the facility, and and just like you said, when you consume fish in nature, you are consuming omega three in a triglyceride form. So that's a glycerol backbone with three fatty acids, right and, you know, can come combined with things like EPA and VHA. And those are those are what's inside. Thousands of research papers done on the benefits of those omega threes.

And when it comes in a supplemental form, so we're catching these fish, mind you small species of fish. The one in your product is standardized for anchovies, so it's the smallest species of fish, lower bioaccumulation of talking to the lower on the food chain. And, of course, there's a, there's a cost to standardizing just the fish much less, you know, the the therapeutic components of that oil. And so when we catch that fish, we squeeze out the triglycerides. Ultimately, we extract the triglycerides in the form of glycerol backbone, three fatty acids. And then what happens is they essentially cleave off that glycerol backbone exposing those fatty acids for concentration. And that process is called methylation. And so you mentioned an alcohol component, and that is actually an ethyl alcohol. So they bind an ethanol backbone to those fatty acids in order for a cop to concentrate GPA and BHA more so to stable them through that process.

Now, after molecular distillation occurs in that process, that's where the majority of fish oil companies stop. And that would be known as an SLS or semi synthetic form of fish oil. And there's actually some pharmaceutical versions of those out on the market today. They don't call themselves social, but that's what they are. They're an ethanol based fish oil. And so our process actually goes through a similar process to concentrate that ej DJ. Now we take it a step further, again, additional cost associated with that we remove we then remove that ethanol backbone and then reattach the glycerol piece bringing it back into that triglyceride form and that natural state so you basically have a semi synthetic state or a natural state, which is known as a rheostat verified triglyceride. And there are a ton of clinical data to show that not only is it more absorbed to the tune of 70% greater absorbed in a triglyceride state versus an adolescent State.

But more importantly, why do we take official we take it to compete with arachidonic acid, aka inflammation. And that occurs and the fossil could violate of ourselves. So basically a red blood cells, there's the outer layer, that by layer of ourselves is what houses that inflammation, and incorporation up to 290% of our key omega threes such as VHA, and EPA, over 62% better than that of an athletic so we're talking significant difference in moving those particular markers, which which you probably test for in your cardio panels using omega three index stats, you can see those things in your labs. And again, it comes back to what's the most expensive self meant. The one that doesn't work, and you can tie that almost directly to quality differences.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 28:49

Yeah, I'll echo what you said. So yes, we do test that. So if anyone's listening and wants to have their omega three fatty acid index looked at and look at how much EPA dhk are literally in your blood, we can do that. And that can help me formulate my formula, I can help me come up with what dose of omega threes you should be taking. I have tested so many people that I am just convinced we all need it. So I do heavily recommend fish oil in my practice. Let's go on to another myth here. We spent a lot of time on that one. And that was wonderful. You gave us very helpful tips. So thank you. So you already started potentially answering how you might respond to this next myth, but I'll just ask it and see what your responses. So Myth number two is that supplements are not FDA regulated. What do you have to say about that?

Tom Houle 29:38

So I would say that's absolutely false. When it comes to the supplement industry, we're actually more tightly regulated on certain things, then the FDA would regulate, say a pharmaceutical company, particularly when it comes to potency. And when you think about a drug, for instance, there's actually a deviation that is allowed and allowable deviation From what they standardized, I think it's five 5% either way, or 10%. Either way, when it comes to a nutrient or a supplement, we're not allowed to be deviated A lot has to be right on point.

And I'll use probiotics as an example. You have to have what's on the label in the bottle, no deviation below. Now you can deviate up in order to ensure that at date of expiration, say if, if our products has 20 billion colony forming units, there has to be 20 billion Californians that date of expiration. Now here is where a lot of companies start playing games with, with the supplement facts box. And so this gives our industry a bad name. And so I want to outline that in retail is retail supplements are really bad about this. They won't put an expiration date they were born on date, you only have to prove potency on that date. Right So, date of manufacturer it could be 20 billion And then it can be sitting on the shelf for 24 months. Well, we know there's a natural Diop associated with that.

So when we manufacture products, we one we have an expiration date, and it's generally 12 months on something that the live organism or an oil, and at that expiration date, there's still 20 billion. So what do we do, we actually manufactured an overage, right? So we ensure that because of maybe human error, we leave it in our car or shipping, you know, for shipping to say, Miami, when it's 100 degrees all year round or higher, and humidity, we want to ensure that not only is our product going to survive on the shelf for at least 12 months, it's also going to survive, you know, some some maybe some different climates as well. And I think expiration is still that 20 billion in there. And so I want to make that very, very clear. Always make sure that when you're taking something there's an expiration date on the bottle, not a born on date, an expiration date because that the FDA hold Batman facts for accountable to prove That that product has that potency, at minimum at that date on the bottle.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 32:05

That's so good. And I think many people don't realize that. So again To summarize, for instance, for all the products, but specifically for things like probiotics, our product is guaranteed to have the potency that the label reads it has added to date of expiration not just the date of manufacturing or that Born on date. And so that's also another reason why supplements are not created equal back to myth one.

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