116. Ozone, Low Level Laser, and Metabolism Testing with Dr. Kelly Felmer

Dr. Kelly Felmer 0:05

Your oxygen consumption and your carbon dioxide is the exact way to tell how your body is burning fuel.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 0:16

Welcome to the your longevity blueprint podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Stephanie gray. My number one goal with this show is to help you discover your personalized plan to build your dream health and live a longer, happier, truly healthier life. You're about to hear from Dr. Kelly filmer. today. Our topics are ozone, low level laser therapy and metabolism testing. Let's get started.

Welcome to another episode of The your longevity blueprint podcast. today. My guest is Dr. Kelly filmer, who is a doctorally prepared nurse practitioner, who is on a lifelong journey of being healthy and wants that for all people she serves as well. She helps both women and men to be empowered and to take control of their own health. With over 25 years of medical experience, Dr. Kelly guides those in need on a health journey to reverse disease resolve symptoms and restore normal function in the body. at Discovery Health Healing Center in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Dr. Kelly and her staff believe that no one has to suffer with nagging symptoms and chronic illness but also that people have been, but also that people have been taught wrong about how to keep themselves healthy. medications do not make a person healthy, they treat a symptom. So at Discovery Health Healing Center, we focus on the basic function of the body work to restore normal function at a cellular level, and therefore resolve the cause of the symptoms and reverse the disease process. Welcome to the show. Dr. Kelly.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 1:37

Thanks, Dr. Gray. How are you today?

Dr. Stephanie Gray 1:39

I'm good longtime to see. That definitely has that we met years ago when I heard a little bit of your story. And I'd love for you to share that with our audience today. So tell us your story. What got you so integrant interested in integrative medicine? That's a tongue twister.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 1:53

Yeah, it definitely is. But so you know, like for many of us who start doing medicine or health differently, it's often with our own journey. I have hypothyroidism or Hashimotos. But that's not where my journey started. My journey started with my family, of course, and truly, it's been failures of the medical system in my family and my mom first and then in myself, and then also now currently with my dad, and just to how we're no longer approaching things in the right way to help people maintain health or to actually find health. So then when you say we You mean like

Dr. Stephanie Gray 2:37

conventional medical model is not approaching? Right. So what do you mean? Okay, yeah, definitely, to be clear, you and I, as in we were doing better.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 2:47

We're trying to do things differently and focusing on the right things, so we can actually make a difference in these people's lives. But I definitely saw my mom's journey, you know, just in a world when from health illness, and she was uh, you know, she doctored all the time and got another drug and another medication and the IBS and the depression, and then the thyroid cancer, and then the pancreatic cancer and, you know, blood pressure problems, and it just, oh, she just ended up with a ton of medication. And she died in she was only 60. So sad. Yeah, so really a tragedy. And, you know, when she was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, I got worked up for the type of thyroid cancer as well, because I'm told that's hereditary, and it's never been in my plan at all. Nobody else has ever had it. Sure, but my jewelry, thyroid cancer is only 3% of all the thyroid cancers. So I finally got my thyroid checked out to show that I don't have cancer, but I was hypothyroid. And then that started my own health journey through that journey of great just like so many of our patients, we get put on thyroid medication because we feel kind of crappy. You know, we're just getting by and we can't lose weight and but you're so tired and like yea diagnosed thyroid problem, the medication is going to make all the difference in the world. And then you're like, okay, my numbers changed. But I didn't change. I still feel crappy. The TSH went from whatever it was to okay, you're saying it's normal at two, but I don't feel good. We call that good. And then they wash their hands of us and say there's nothing else we have to offer you. Yeah, exactly. Or no and antidepressant, right. Just like so many of our patients, I went on one I was in a not so good marriage at the time and thought you know what, maybe I do need one. I feel horrible with that. It was not what I needed. I really didn't need that because clinical Pearl antidepressants. Don't help correct the other person You're in a bad marriage. So that didn't help at all. So yeah, my mom's journey and then my own journey and just then being triggered to the point. After autoimmune thyroid came rheumatoid arthritis and the rheumatologist, you know, just like endocrinologist are very close mind most of them. Not all of them, of course, but my rheumatologist insisted food didn't play a role. I asked multiple times, what about this? This is supposed to be good for the immune system? Will that help? No, don't do that, that will probably mess up your immune system. This drug, I took the medications because I didn't want the disabling effects of rheumatoid arthritis, like, Okay, I know what that ends up looking like, I don't want that. The reality is it doesn't stop the disease progression. I needed ibuprofen three times a day to not have pain. And then when I complained of not being able to bend or straighten my my index finger, specifically of my right hand, I'm like, Oh, I'm noticing something change and you know, talk to my rheumatologist about it. And he said, Well, when you can't move your finger at all, then you let me know, that was the big aha moment to say, I'm pretty sure we can do things differently. That was not okay. And you know, I'm 3233 years old, you want me to not use my hand? And then you'll help me? How am I stopping disease, I'm not, those were the big, big moments watching my mom die and then not being managed well with thyroid or you know, rheumatoid arthritis, which is managed by food, and I don't take medications.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 6:48

For the listener, she's wiggling her fingers and showing us her range of motion and happens right out everybody, she's not debilitating.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 6:56

Food Matters, all these things from the inside out matter. And that's when I started to learn things differently and got training, you know, different ways in nutrition and functional medicine in herbs in, you know, whatever I can keep learning on to better know how the body really works. Because we're taught pathology and disease, we're not really taught or reinforced, and we just take for granted that the body works right? Then that's where all of our symptoms start coming from. Yeah, so that's helped me you know, tell people don't come to me to diagnose you. I don't want to diagnose you with anything. I want to help get things working and functioning, and then you don't have all those symptoms anymore. Amen. Yeah, I

Dr. Stephanie Gray 7:44

think we practice very similarly. So along your journey, which thank you for sharing that story. Um, you started Discovery Health healing center. So you approach things a little differently than traditional medical providers and other alternative providers. So tell our listeners, I think I know what you do. But tell our listeners how your services are a little different. Like you're just saying, I don't diagnose. So what do you do? Kelly? Yeah.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 8:04

And not that I couldn't. But definitely, I value my medical experience, and the knowledge that that's gained. And then I can use a medication when it's appropriate. Sure, just gave someone a prescription for some NP thyroid, that's okay, because she really needs it right now. But it doesn't mean she's going to need it forever, or maybe not that dose or my figure that out as we go based on our body's needs. So one thing that I've tried to create at Discovery Health healing center to differentiate a little bit is not only doing one on one consultations, to help a person, do education, find out their story, who get the clues of what's happening in their body, so that we can start to support them in the right way and make some changes. But then I offer other services that can complement what I do. And it's all focused at helping the body function normally. So or looking at it from a cellular function, to say, the cells need good oxygen, they need all of the nutrition, they need good adrenal support, they need the thyroid, they need X, Y, and Z inside the mitochondria to produce energy. And if we get that happening at the cell, then that cell is making energy and if we get all those cells in that organ making energy well then that organs functioning appropriately. So I do some additional services with IV nutrition therapy, giving lots of vitamin C, different B vitamins, of course, and different things. I've added ozone therapy into IVs and even prolozone injections, which I can tell you more about.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 9:57

Let's go there. Yeah. Let's talk more about ozone So I haven't had a lot of guests mentioned that yet. So tell us what what it is kind of the purpose of it, how you administer it. Let's go there and tell us how it's helping your patients.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 10:09

Okay, so I just incorporated that into my practice last year. It definitely through different certification programs and training programs that I've taken for IV nutrition. I heard about it often, especially when I do an IV nutrition for oncology, and, you know, severe and chronic illness, and it just wasn't something that, you know, it seemed like it was more work. And, you know, I just wanted to get better at what I was doing. And I couldn't wrap my brain around it quite yet, even though I was hearing about it. But last year, after hearing a podcast with Dr. David Brownstein, and he mentioned to ozone, and then I was listening to somebody else about something. And I'm like, and they mentioned ozone, and I'm like, Gosh, darn it, I better learn about this ozone, right, like they're doing ozone. And, you know, so got me more interested, because, you know, I take a lot of clinical pearls from a lot of those other experts out there. And then found a course that Dr. Frank Shallenberger teaches, and truly, you know, David Brownstein went through Shaolin burgers course. So I'm like, Okay, show me Shallenberger scores, because he went through it, I'm gonna see what that's all about. And ozone, when I explain it to somebody I'm working with when I think it's something appropriate for them is, you know, I describe as a super oxygen, although that's a very simplified version of it. But oxygen is oh two, and ozone is Oh, three. So it's when oxygen gets split apart, and it comes back together. And now it's joined as a three sum instead of a twosome that creates ozone. We are familiar with ozone, because we smell it in the air when we get a rainstorm, or there's been lightning, because it's that electricity, that breaks apart the oxygen that then creates ozone. So in truly, you know, there are people who think ozone is something bad for you, because it's measured and reported through the weather service. But it's because ozone is easy to measure in the atmosphere. And the level of ozone correlates with air pollution. So ozone in the air isn't bad. It's the air pollution. But that's more difficult to measure. So they report ozone levels.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 12:28

So it kind of has a negative connotation. Environmental, yeah,

Dr. Kelly Felmer 12:33

Ozone isn't something you want to breathe in directly. That will give you a severe coughing fit that you will never forget. But there are many great ways to benefit the body in ozone being tremendously healing, removing inflammation, and super easy actually to administer and super great effects for that person with cancer and autoimmune disease, or even post viral and bad viral illnesses. We're losing a lot of ozone and vitamin C, because it gives your body exactly what it needs. We burn oxygen. And if we can get and facilitate more oxygen into all of the cells, it proves to be beneficial helps to kick out free radicals or things that are bogging the cell down, while promoting a healing process. So it's been pretty fascinating. We use it, it got much more popular much quickly than I was prepared for. We have athletes who use it and who were asking for it and I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, okay, and it just took off like wildfire where I was trickling it in with my patients, but then people who know about it, look for it, and it's a tremendous healing modality, I do it you know, along with the vitamin C or not to keep auto immune disease in check in remission and you know, under the best control possible, so I really value it from that standpoint. But we can also administer it rectally. It can be given in the bladder. They can be given vaginally, it can be given in injections. So I also do some prolozone injections, where I'm giving nutrition actually some small syringe of anti inflammatory solution of giving the cells in the injured or inflamed area that the area that stuck and not healing giving the prolozone they're followed by the ozone therapy. And it's amazing how many times people come back or only need one or two injections and how healing that injection was it helped to relieve the pain. We facilitate better circulation. It helped to increase the oxygen and nutrients exactly in the area. and things start changing immediately. So it's been a pretty great addition.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 15:05

I already have questions as I'm where you were, although I've been stuck there for like five years thinking I want to bring on ozone I want to bring on ozone, I haven't had time to get the training. And I will eventually, how do you cycle that with vitamin C? Because I assume you can't get the boat the same day? Or how do you? You can? Yeah,

Dr. Kelly Felmer 15:21

it definitely can. And we've done a lot of that when people have an illness or when they're sick, or when they're trying to recover. It's just that I'm still fatigued, I just not back to normal. Definitely, we use a lot of vitamin C for that, which helps tremendously. But now that we have ozone also, you can do ozone first and follow it with the vitamin C, you can follow it with any vitamin any IV bag, but we do most often and have a combination of doing the ozone followed by Vitamin C is the thing that we do most often. But then we have several people who do the ozone alone as well. Do patients feel

Dr. Stephanie Gray 16:01

better after one treatment? Like I have some patients who are given vitamin C? And they're like, Man, I feel better? Like do they feel better? Can they quickly,

Dr. Kelly Felmer 16:08

and I have the same thing with people, you know, one person will feel so dramatic, you know, like, wow, that was the best thing ever. And then I'll have you know, the next person who's when I'm in that boat, like, you know, I know I get it and I feel good. Or I'll use Vitamin C a lot when I'm feeling a little run too thin. I don't get tired or that I don't get sick. I'll get a vitamin C, and I feel the difference from the adrenal support of Viner to I do to him. Yeah, that I don't feel worn out where I could feel I was on the edge of that. So that I noticed. But I'm not one of those people who, you know, like, Oh, I got that idea. And I feel amazing. Like, you know, it just keeps me feeling great every day.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 16:52

I know this is your answer is probably I can't tell you that because I offer individualized care. But for patients with autoimmune diseases and who choose to pursue ozone, like what's the frequency? Do some of them, you know, just from a maintenance not treating acutely, but like from a maintenance standpoint? Are some patients doing it like once a month? What do you find?

Dr. Kelly Felmer 17:09

Yeah, so of course, it's absolutely you're right, that individual, depending where they're at, on their journey, how aggressively they want to attack what's going on, that'll all depend, but they could get it a couple of times a week, to weekly what I've chosen to do most often, if antibodies are sky high, they're not doing as well as they should be, I would recommend at least once a week for a good four to six weeks before we go down and get it once a month. And then as I titrate with anyone if if you're maintaining and if you're doing well. And if we've got all of our bases covered, we can keep spreading that out and make sure they'll keep feeling good.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 17:52

So you mentioned antibodies. Are you seeing now that you've been doing this for a while with autoimmune diseases like antibodies going down? Over time? Are you you've been doing it long enough that you're seeing not just

Dr. Kelly Felmer 18:03

doing I've only been doing it since the end of last summer? So it hasn't been long enough? And I'll tell you in myself, yes. But I've also noticed, I don't have a good I don't have a good pulse on that. Because I think there's too many other things that have made antibodies go back up from a vaccine standpoint, from just different exposures, or we targeted it very hard. And one particular person that I'm thinking of and we went What, like it didn't change, like she feels great, and everything's amazing about his didn't change shirt. As we talked through it, those were the only types of things that we could come up with that made things worse, and we didn't see the benefit we were looking at when we targeted it for that period of time, because then my husband got sick, and then this and then we're checking and

Dr. Stephanie Gray 18:57

out of variables. And a lot happened over the last year. So not the best.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 19:00

Right. So I don't think that's a Yeah, so I could say absolutely. You know, I know that it's helping at a cellular level. No doubt in my mind dramatically. We see people bounce right back, you know from with fatigue, and they're just sickness and you know, the things that we do from that standpoint, that's easy to see that it was a game changer and a much more potent or combination of tool. And I'd like to see over time it changed more significantly in some of the auto immune.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 19:37

Well speaking of other illnesses, what about biotoxin illnesses? Do you treat patients with mold and lime i are using ozone for those.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 19:43

So we do they're not a big part of my population, but definitely between the ozone and even UV light with the IV nutrition will be some things that I'll use with people with chronic Lyme and or chronic mo Old illness or EBV, things like that to target through the bloodstream just a little bit differently. But those patients for me are ceramic. So I don't have a routine with that either. And depending on where they were else they've been and what they've done in wishing, coming to you with, what about side effects with ozone. One thing that I learned and you'll learn through this, it's really safe if you do it the right way. And so there's tons of literature on it, which is pretty amazing, too. So that's always reinforcing and good to see, I do just major auto chemotherapy, ozone, which is Ma H, abbreviated ozone, which just means I pull 50 cc's of blood. And then we put ozone in your blood. And we let the two of them we agitated a little bit when we watch your dark red blood turn bright red, because it's super oxygenated. And once it's reached that bright red point, we administer it back into the person, there are other ways to do it, or bigger volumes or hyperbaric ozone that I contemplate about as the need gets higher. So we're not at that stage yet. The MH ozone is just working perfectly for us and just started talking about how we do it. And then and then it's perfectly safe, that there shouldn't be any side effects. Now would there be you know, sometimes watching for increased bleeding tendencies, or literally I've seen nothing happen. And you know, safety first, from my perspective on how we administer any IV here. And I think that has a lot to do it do with it. But just like with any informed consent, and any risk with just getting hydration IV, you could get infection, you could get thrown off. So there is a long list of potentials, and I've never seen it and all of the mentors that I follow don't usually see them either. But there are some people who directly inject ozone, which is frowned upon because that's dangerous, okay to just think about directing somebody an air embolism that. So we don't do that.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 22:25

Good to know. Yeah. What about Herxheimer reaction? Would patients get any sort of die off reaction?

Dr. Kelly Felmer 22:30

So I think it depends on how sick they are and what they're sick with. But absolutely, the potential for that would be there. Sure. And so starting small and building up is is Yeah, wise,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 22:42

interesting. Ozone still piques my interest? Okay, your practice, I know you do something else differently, you offer near infrared light therapies with thorough medical. And I remember talking about this a couple years ago, because I know you got this big new toy. And I wondered, I didn't call them toy. But yeah, yeah, equipment for

Dr. Kelly Felmer 22:58

Your grade equipment?

Dr. Stephanie Gray 23:00

Yes, I like to hear more of what I guess I'll go back to saying piqued your interest with that therapy with photobiomodulation. And explain to our listeners what that is. Because we all I also haven't had a lot of guests talk about that sort of light therapy. So tell us how what it is how you use it in your office, how it's been helpful for your patients.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 23:18

So if we go back to my story, I started to say failures of the medical system and finding new and better ways to help people three years ago, actually, I think we're going on for now my dad was diagnosed with ALS. Then I got an email about this light therapy, photo bio modulation, and it was about neurological treatments with it. So I looked at that, and I started reading about that and researching about it. And I'm like, we have to I gotta get this Yeah, I gotta get this, my dad needs this, we need to do this now. And so you know, so I jumped in to learn whatever I could about it and how it can be helpful for the body, again, at a cellular level at helping to balance within the cell, checking out free radicals or other things that are bogging down the cell, helping to optimize the chemical processes of creating energy in the cell balancing the NAD, NAD, H, the light therapy, all the good things that we know ozone does. Light Therapy does too with near infrared light. So it changes things at a cellular level. When we absorb that near infrared, just like we absorbed the UV light to make vitamin D and how important that is we can absorb near infrared light to create changes at a cellular level and things start to change. So I was prompted and got interested for a need in my family and that's actually been the thing. At that time. I was doing consultations all by video from my home. And it was the need of getting this equipment that made me Oh Been a doors of my own practice with the both of full body bed near infrared called the Nova Thor. And then we also do local treatments for acute and chronic injuries with the strategy of near infrared light helps to remove inflammation in the air, and helps to increase circulation, we can interrupt the nerve response or the triggers that are sending pain and the muscles that are in spasm for a non invasive pain reduction strategy. So we've seen over the last two years, tremendous changes in acute and chronic injuries that just because of the near infrared light, the Thor, Thor medical light therapy, and then that's also the thing that pushed me to get ozone, and do prolozone because it's like, the next best step to do all of those things. But if we weren't getting enough relief, well, I can go right on in there and give it a little bit more of what it means to finish the healing process. And that's been working fantastic.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 26:11

So I hear you say expedite healing process reduce pain and inflammation. So great for acute injuries, right? So do but also for chronic. I want to go back and hear about your dad, so is your dad using the bed or

Dr. Kelly Felmer 26:24

not a good story? Only because when we got the equipment and then COVID shut down everything. And he has a very chronic illness. Yeah. Oh, they've never been able to come use it. No, I'm sorry. Yeah, this is the story of my life. You know, like the Epiphany, I couldn't help my mom, and I can't help my dad, but they've facilitated things to help me help myself. And others. Yep, yep.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 26:59

Amazing. I want to come back to this. But I gotta digress. So you've been through so much, like that's a lot of trauma, like how do you mentally stay strong? And what are some lifestyle practices that you've used? And you've helped with your patients? Are you used to help your patients in similar circumstances? How do you keep going, Kelly,

Dr. Kelly Felmer 27:16

because there's always somebody more to help that most definitely. And definitely had a lot of traumas. And even part of my I didn't go back far enough to include my brother in part of that story. Who got in a bad car accident at age 16, which was the catalyst for me to go in this direction. Wow. That's the first thing, you know, well, I couldn't help him. But here I am in this field, helping people and then my mom and then my dad. And then here I am. So Dan, yourself. And yeah, yeah, definitely some traumas along the way. And there were some big traumas that impacted me through this journey of trying to do things differently as well, where I had to take a moment to take care of me. That's why I did consults at home. I still felt driven and passionate, I can help people and I, I just did it on a lower scale for a while because I needed to recoup Yep. But every single one of those life experiences, of course, and in my consultations, I describe my practice as holistic, as well as restorative. I firmly believe I we deliver that every day because in my one on ones, there's no almost never can we not talk about the stress and how it impacts a person and getting them to recognize how much it's impacting them. There are times they need to quit their job and they need to hear someone from the outside tell them that you have definitely I did a lot of self reflection and helping myself recover my adrenal glands recover from those traumas. Personally, the secret sauce is that I'm driven by just like the story with my dad, to stay positive about that to do whatever I can be helpful. That keeps me going. That keeps my energy high that helps me serving people well. But most definitely, I needed a good two years to take some TLC and to walk outside and to breathe fresh air, and to set my feet in the grass and do all those basic things to repair and recover. And I talk about that with my people all the time, and talk about how their stress is their perception. When you wake up in in the morning and Williams made a mess. You know you either let that ruin your day or go Yeah, he made a mess. Right and how many times and maybe you felt caught or stop one day, but that destroys people because they're like, oh, man, and it's horrible. And it's just like, really? Yeah, no one is not that big of a deal. And if you can just change your perception of the of that stressor that helps to change everything. So I've found that as a beautifully strong tool that I use for myself. And for so many people that I talk to, of helping them get a grip of you know, what crumbs on the table, you see it every day, it makes you mad every day, it makes you have a bad day, every day. Is it really worth it? I think we need to let this one go. Because nobody died, and nobody got hurt. But yet it's ruining your life. All of those stress mitigation and self reflection, helping people come up with a new message. I am worthy. Looking in the mirror, you are a soul. Yes, all of those things, we talk about those things, because those are the core just as much as eating good food makes a difference in everything. So that's a piece of everything we do to get to do it for yourself. Like,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 31:10

yes, so does the laser light. Am I saying that? Right? Is that low level laser?

Dr. Kelly Felmer 31:15

The Yep, that would be another name for it. Is that helpful? I

Dr. Stephanie Gray 31:18

mean, as far as is that kind of like sauna therapy that would induce kind of that parasympathetic calming state or not does that. And so

Dr. Kelly Felmer 31:28

in a think about first, near infrared is a long spectrum of light. So our Far Infrared Saunas help us to sweat because that far infrared vibrates. And then the near infrared, just at that cellular that cellular level to promote normal function. So definitely, people always ask first, if it's like their sauna, and it's 100%, the optics opposite, okay, but provides definitely good health benefits. Additional things as I learn how the light therapy changes things at a cellular level, in that the use of making energy with NAD and NADH and the recycling to to have more NAD available. It facilitates oxidation of glucose through pyruvate into NADH, which then helps to have more Recycle for that NAD NADH cycle.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 32:32

Sure, sure. So do you lay in a bed is it like a tanning bed like, looks like it's clothes on or off for like

Dr. Kelly Felmer 32:39

Minimal clothes is recommended. We ask people to keep on their underwear. But definitely, it's a whole light bed therapy we have people go in and just for 12 minutes at a time, we start them out small at six minutes and work them up to 12 minutes sharp, if they were aligned or a mold person, I'd start them out at three minutes because they could have some flu like symptoms or fire symptoms, because of the changes that are facilitated. So we start them out very small. We've also had, you know, someone who's very fair skinned, you know, very pale redhead, that that light might be a little intense, we'll start them out small too, and build them up where they feel like they get a little windburn. But even when we start people at six minutes, it's amazing how so many of them come out saying how much better they feel. Getting that little bit of rest is always helpful to taking a down moment hearing relaxing music. But even when we very first started, people would come out and say, wow, you know what, I put my shirt back on and my shoulder didn't hurt. My shoulder always hurts when I put my clothes on. And I'm like, really? I'm like you were in there for six minutes. And they're like, Yeah, and that felt amazing. And I go, Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, pretty incredible. And it's not that everybody feels that. But then I started getting people who didn't notice anything at that moment. And then they come back and then go in the bed again. And they're like, You know what, I was driving home and I needed to look over my shoulder. And I can't look over that shoulder. And the range of motion, just the muscles relaxing, and being able to get rid of some inflammation started moving right away. And they felt that, you know, didn't recognize it at first till they did a motion while to change lanes in their car. And they're like, oh my gosh, I just turned my head so well how did that happen? And that was off of the whole body bed, which is great. And now if somebody has a specific neck injury or back injury or sciatic pain, we'll work on it more directly more concentrated with probes that are able to get penetrate deeper, as well to facilitate more change to help loosen up their back and decrease that pain etc. But it's been wonderful for SIADH Uh, although I'm also encouraging, stretching and you know, if they were seeing PT and getting a chiropractic adjustment, and it's all, you know, all part of the puzzle, but it's, it's been pretty phenomenal helping start to change,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 35:14

You offer bio energy testing or metabolism testing at your practice. So right tell us what that is because that's also not something I'm currently using. And tell us how that has benefited your clients.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 35:26

I learned more about it through ozone therapy, again through Frank shollenberger. And because he's the spearhead behind it to take the metabolism testing, as he describes and supports with research was the way to test the thyroid in the beginning. And taking, you're looking at your oxygen consumption and your carbon dioxide is the exact way to tell how your body is burning fuel, burning oxygen for fuel. So he describes that as oxygen utilization. And when you're burning fats for fuel, you have a specific ratio, when you're burning glucose for fuel at the cellular level, that ratio changes. And so through evaluating a person at rest, just breathing, we do some spirometry testing to evaluate their forced vital capacity to get an evaluation of how well they should be breathing. And bringing in oxygen, I've had a good handful of people where I have to tell them, we first have to work on learning to breathe, and belly breathe, because they're literally not breathing well enough Tran that impacts their whole body, it's not that they need a supplement, it's not that they made a medication, it's you need to breathe. Like that's the number one thing we have to start with. And that's free, you just have to practice actually breathing better. So that's been pretty amazing. Just pulling pieces of how the body works together. But it's taking the information of burning and using oxygen in the mitochondria to produce energy. And looking at the ratio of oxygen consumption and carbon dioxide ratios to know the demand on the body. And then the software that the technology goes through, breaks it down further that I can't quite explain, although I've got the information that gives you the formula of how it takes this, this and this to come up with this. But it pulls out of that information, then a resting metabolism for that person, as well as evaluating how do they have enough thyroid inside the cell to produce energy, and how well their adrenal gland is supported and getting used inside the cell. It gives us an evaluation of the amount of carbohydrates that the person is consuming. How much of an effect is that having on their body's ability to burn fat for fuel. So that's been rather enlightening, as well, because with every person, it's different. One person, you're doing fantastic, the amount of carbs that you're eating, for your metabolism for your body, it's fine. Everything's working really well, like it should. So it's having minimal impact to the next person that I'm telling. You need to keep eating these complex carbohydrates. But we need to get rid of these simple carbohydrates because they're bogging you down to the person where I'm getting a completely different output, where the carbs that they're eating are literally shutting down the body's ability to burn fat for fuel.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 38:56

You can see that on his testing and tell them how to change their eating.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 39:00

Exactly. Right. That's super cool. And it's not about people come back and say, Well, how many carbs should I eat? And I say no, it's based on how you eat and you need to keep eating like you are or you need to cut that in half. You need to cut that. So it all depends on where you're starting to get what that next step is. So if

Dr. Stephanie Gray 39:21

patients are complying and they make the changes you recommend, how quickly are they going to see I know there are multiple variables that are probably contributing to this metabolism but how quickly are patients seeing results like it was this a big needle mover for you when you started using this?

Dr. Kelly Felmer 39:33

Definitely when I started using it when we got it under our belt when we got a few little tweaks out I changed things based on mine let me tell you, I'm like really, I was feeling pretty good. But mindset I didn't have quite enough thyroid. So I went back up on my thyroid. My carbs were a non issue. Don't eat a lot of those but I changed how I exercise as well because not only in you know as I described your oxygen carbon oxide ratios and how you're making fuel in your body to have energy, your heart rate gets associated where your optimal fat burning zone is. That's been a tremendous game changer as well to learn, when I'm exercising, it's not always more is better, harder is better overdue, and you actually go in an anaerobic state, and the bio energy tells us at what heart rate that is. So even though the trainer told you, you need to get your heart rate up above 150, I come back and tell you well, your body says different. Your body said, Actually, you burn fat at 110. You're always exercising above that your past fat burning, you're not burning fat, and you wondered why is harder, and you can't lose weight,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 40:52

and you're burning out your adrenals in your recoveries for and you're exhausted. And yeah,

Dr. Kelly Felmer 40:57

it's really helped to mesh and bring information from a functional perspective to compare along with the labs I may have tested, and then along with what the person is telling me, it more often then not coincides with the person and what they say. But now you have not only their subjective view of their symptoms, you have an objective view. So most definitely, I'm rechecking that for some people in about three months, if we need to recheck it that fast, and I've got several people out, you know, six months, and I should have rechecked mine by now, but I don't want to yet. I'm not done yet. I want it better when I get back on the bike. I have refused to do it. Because I'm like, Nope, I'm gonna keep working on these things I'm working on because I want that to be really good.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 41:49

Awesome. Three new fun topics for our listeners. Yeah, for sharing all of that. Tell us more about you where listeners can find you. Are you on social media.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 41:58

The clinic is located in Green Bay, Wisconsin, Discovery Health Healing Center, our website is d h healing center.com. We have you know, very transparent were out there with all of our information out on that website. Of course, we're on Facebook and Instagram. I don't do much with any of the other social media at this point. But those are things that we'll put little posts or little accomplishments or wins, you know, different things happening for our patients that are changing for them. But those would be the ways your stories. Yeah, yeah. This way to see what we do and where we are and how to contact us.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 42:37

Are you one of the few clinics that has one of these low laser light therapy beds?

Dr. Kelly Felmer 42:42

Yeah, so as far as the Nova Thor bed, which is one of the only medical grade beds out there and FDA approved, there definitely are other competitors, but we're the only note are in the state of Wisconsin. And then there's a lot of other places that have light beds with green light and blue light and red light. And they claim the same research benefits of the photo bio modulation, which is not true because it needs to be the near infrared light. So I don't know what they're really providing, besides a colorful bed.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 43:20

Tell us your top longevity tip absolute top if you had to pick one.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 43:25

So I think it's one concept. Okay, versus being one thing when you told me that you were going to ask me that question, what I find the most valuable as we took this time to talk about different services and how they work differently within your body. But the bottom line is listening to your body and hearing what it has to say. Because when I'm talking with somebody, if I pay attention to how they describe something, it always gives me the clue. And I actually tell them how much I love it when they gave me all the answers of what their body actually means. It's having a provider first who helps to reflect those things to say but this is what you're telling me. Yes, that symptom but that's what it says about your body about how its functioning and gave me the clues to know what to test but more importantly, already how to support you. We definitely find when I've worked with someone for a while they learn how to better listen and there's definitely people who listen really well in the beginning but if we can listen together the clues that say when you know it's not right, and it's not right. It doesn't matter that you had this test. You had this scan you had this bloodwork you had this and it says you're normal, you don't feel normal, then something's not working right. And so if we listen hard enough for those clues, we get the the Write places to at least start. And then that gives us the launching pad for things to change. And we can hear the other symptoms then once we get the main things out of the way,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 45:10

love it, love it love it thankful that the world and state of Wisconsin has provided like you who are listening right, whose minds are open. We're whoring listening. So I got three words for you, Kelly, you got to write a book.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 45:23

I think you told me that before, after, of course, after you were done writing. Right, because you're like, when you were in the midst of it.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 45:33

Oh, it was very stressful. Yeah, I don't recommend it to anyone, not just I do it. Just feel like you have such a story. And thank you for being being so vulnerable and sharing your story with us. And I'm sure I mean, we heard 50 minutes of it do we didn't hear the decade's worth of trauma and just challenges that you've gone through. But I just think your story is beautiful. And so thank you for Yes, sharing about low laser. I still can't say low level laser therapy, ozone IV therapy metabolism testing, but but just thank you for sharing your story and for staying progressive and for staying out there. You know, being the provider who is just you're really just seeking to serve other patients and help them get to the root cause of their problem. So world needs more providers like you, Kelly, thank you. Thank you for coming on the show. This was wonderful. Thanks for asking.

Dr. Kelly Felmer 46:15

I was happy to be here.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 46:20

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