47. Improving Parasympathetic Tone for the ANS with Dr. Tim Jackson

Dr. Tim Jackson 0:03

You can take all the right supplements and all the right bids do all the right lifestyle environmental things. But if you don't have enough parasympathetic tone, meaning not enough activation of your parasympathetic nervous system, your body will not be able to utilize those supplements, therapies, etc.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 0:24

Welcome to the longevity blueprint podcast, I'm your host, Dr. Stephanie gray. My number one goal with the show is to help you discover your personalized plan to build your dream health and live a longer, happier, truly healthier life. You're about to hear from Dr. Tim Jackson. Today we're going to talk about the autonomic nervous system and how it impacts longevity. He is a wealth of knowledge and he is about to flood us with tips for parasympathetic tone. Let's get rolling. Thank you for joining me for another episode of The your longevity blueprint podcast today I have four guests Dr. Tim Jackson. He received his undergraduate degree in health science and chemistry from Wake Forest University in 2003. He completed his doctorate in physical therapy from the Medical University of South Carolina in 2009. Realizing that manual therapy and orthopedic care helped only some of his patients he began studying functional and Environmental Medicine as well as digestive health and an effort to help others Achieve Wellness.

Dr. Tim is educated in nutritional biochemistry, digestive health and its systemic effects functional endocrinology, epigenetics, mold and Lyme disease and autoimmune neuro immune disorders. He completed the spine portion of the active Release Technique methodology system that addresses musculoskeletal trigger points, and helps to expedite the healing process. Dr. Jackson trained with Dr. Kendall Stewart to learn the far reaching implications of methylation deficits and their role in neuro immune syndromes. He's been featured on the bulletproof executive podcast and greenfields podcast, Rob wolfe.com, the Huffington Post, as well as countless health and wellness summits. He's on the advisory board for your second half a program that helps collegiate and professional athletes transition from athletics into other careers and the Medical Advisory Board for green smoothie girl.com. A site with several million visitors per year. Dr. Jackson's clinical expertise spans everything from brain rehabilitation, functional endocrinology, Lyme disease and stealth pathogens integrative gastroenterology, mold, toxicity, epigenetics and mitochondrial dysfunction. That's a mouthful. So welcome to the show. Dr. Jackson.

Dr. Tim Jackson 2:25

Thank you, Dr. Gray. I appreciate you having me on.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 2:28

So tell me how you got interested in functional medicine. You have so many different trainings and certifications, it sounds like so where does your journey begin?

Dr. Tim Jackson 2:37

Yes, I went to undergrad at Wake Forest University and wants to sell in North Carolina, I did all the pre med requirements to get my MD and then my senior year during winter break, I had jaw surgery or synaptic jaw surgery. And I was under anesthesia for over eight hours. And they put a lot of titanium plates and screws in my mouth. And I came out of that not recovering like a shell of my former cell. And you know, the surgeon basically said, Well, this never happens. And I said, well, that meant to me. And so at that time 2000 2003 functional medicine was not like mainstream as of now. And so I started eating healthier exercising, I mean, I was exercising already. But I found this local EMT who was a medicine doctor, and then treated me for Candida and some heavy metals. And that certainly helped.

But you know, there's many pieces to the puzzle. But that got me started. And preceptorships I had done at the Wake Forest School of Medicine, they said you're really interested in nutrition and you know a lot about it, go to med school, and you'll do fine, but you're gonna be frustrated constantly, but just get a ticket to play the game. So you know, I got my doctorate in physical therapy and or any rehab started out. I was studying while I was getting my doctorate, I was studying functional medicine. And then when I got out my first job was in orthopedic rehabilitation.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 4:13

So obviously now I want to ask questions about your injury, like why did you have to have just surgery?

Dr. Tim Jackson 4:17

Well, you know, the unsettling part of it is that I didn't, but when you're 20 or 21, and the surgeon tells you, if you don't have the surgery, you won't have an E flat by the time you're 30 then I'm like, oh, let's do it tomorrow. But you know, not only did it not help the issue, which was maxillary deficiency, they've made it worse. And yeah, totally unnecessary. And the surgeon scary part is he teaches the surgical residents. That jaw surgery, you know, and each tooth is connected to a different meridian throughout the body, but then the brain and the teeth are derived from the same embryonic issue. And so there's that connection. And so I had severe brain fog, you know, when I came out of the surgery?

Dr. Stephanie Gray 5:07

Sounds like functional medicine did help you if you were treated for some yeast and some heavy metals, did you improve with time? Am I cutting to the chase here? Did

Dr. Tim Jackson 5:14

you I improved enough to function at what most people would consider a high level. But it wasn't a high level for me. You know, and that's what's important is your baseline. sure you know what you're used to? And that I tell that to everyone, but yeah, the Candida treatments certainly help as I've been on so many antibiotics unnecessarily, try, you know, I was in the allopathic mindset. And I'm like, Oh, this is the medical school, I definitely need to listen to the doctor. But the guy that came in to see me was almost 400 pounds. So, you know, in hindsight, it was probably good. I took my health in my own Do

Dr. Stephanie Gray 5:55

you have a journey like so many of us do. And part of my journey as I was sharing with you before we started recording, I believe now in hindsight, right. And reflecting back part of a lot of the issues that I was experiencing the likely were from mold toxicity at our old location that I was working at. We're now in a very mold free environment, thankfully. But I know what mold was how mold was impacting me was contributing to some autonomic nervous system dysfunction or pots, which is postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and very fast heart rate. Lots of things contributed to my symptoms, which I wrote about my book, Your longevity blueprint, I was very low on magnesium had very low blood pressure, which I needed more salt, I was eating gluten and foods I shouldn't have been eating, I had CBOE I had all kinds of problems. But let's go back to talking about the autonomic nervous system, because a lot of people have heard of the nervous system, but they don't quite know what the autonomic nervous system is. And I know that's something you specialize in. So tell us what it is, how it relates to longevity? What is the autonomic nervous system? within the central nervous system, you

Dr. Tim Jackson 6:57

have the autonomic nervous system, and that's broken down into the parasympathetic branch, and the sympathetic branch. So the sympathetic is the fight or flight or freeze response. And the parasympathetic is the rest and digest, or the feed and breathe aspect of your nervous system. But someone male patients, you can't have an erection when you're running from a tiger. And that makes it Yeah, you know, basically, you have to meet certain physiological requirements, like satiation, you know, if you're hungry, before, you're going to be interested in higher level functioning. And so the autonomic nervous system, all of our organs are duly intubated. So they have a sympathetic innervation and a parasympathetic innervation. And so it's never that one system is 100% on and the other one is totally off. It's a percentage. And sympathetic is good for athletes going into competition. And if we have to mount a stress response, but today, you know, it's like a system, it's getting over tasks. And so people get stuck in a sympathetic dominant state. And that equals things like elevated heart rate, blood pressure, increased risk for heart disease, diabetes, neuroimmune, slash autoimmune syndromes, gut dysfunction, and you know, the parasympathetic nervous system, you can take all the right supplements, eat all the right foods, do all the right lifestyle, environmental things. But if you don't have enough parasympathetic tone, meaning not enough activation of your parasympathetic nervous system, your body will not be able to utilize those supplements, therapies, etc.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 8:46

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Three times built a practice, I was way too busy, I had way too much on my plate. And I did have very high heart rate and I was in that fight or flight mode, I didn't realize it, I thought I was handling all my stress just fine, but I wasn't and that was robbing me of really important progesterone. So in a male and you were talking about the importance of testosterone, which helps with their actions, right and a female, I needed progesterone, to help with fertility needed all the hormones, but primarily progesterone. So what you were describing was, was totally me. And I have had to learn to manage stress. It's a, it's a journey. It's an ongoing journey for for many of us. So I'm sure many listening can relate. So let's talk about I don't know how to phrase this, but building or working on that that parasympathetic tone. So give some tips to our listeners about how we can do that.

Dr. Tim Jackson 10:49

So one tip, and you know, the good thing about this actionable step is that people need to be doing it anyways. And that's using a far infrared or full spectrum sauna. But benefits we can talk about for weeks, and still not cover it all. But it causes a parasympathetic shift. So that helps to lower heart rate and blood pressure. But it also improves your dental laboratory capacity. So your big mat increases in terms of stress, a sauna would be considered a hormetic stressor, meaning that you apply it, it's kind of like pressing on the gas pedal and then backing off letting your body adapt. A parasympathetic shift definitely occurs using the sauna frequency, Trump's duration. So if you could only do 20 minutes, six days a week, that's better than an hour and a half, twice a week. So that's one way to help shift to a more parasympathetic state. Deep breathing is really he and most people today are not breathing properly for a number of reasons, from musculoskeletal reasons, to theological reasons, but the belly breathing, for sure, four seconds into the nose, six seconds out through the mouth. And then you have an important part of the autonomic nervous system that Vegas nerves are the wandering nerve and that nerve.

I wonder why we didn't cover more of it in school, because it controls all of our inner organs, our internal organs peristalsis in digestion in the gut, if you have poor vagal tone, then you're not gonna be able to heal your gut, and you're not gonna be able to detoxify properly, the Vegas nerve, you can have low tone and that from low acetylcholine levels because that nerve is lined with receptors for acetylcholine. And so if you're deficient in that, that's gonna lead to for Vegas nerve activation, and the vagus nerve is also responsible for what's called the anti inflammatory reflex. You'll notice like when I do my Vegas nerve stimulation, improvement in mood, permanent brain function from the digestion, taking CDP, Coleen or sighted Coleen can help increase vagal tone, oxytocin, nasal spray comm can help especially if someone has a high adverse childhood event score. So those are some major ways along with Vegas nerve exercise. So you know, if you search on the internet, you know, I think there's 34 to 38 different exercises from bar billing to using the tongue depressor to activating the dive, or divers reflex where you breathe out against pursed lip and a bench nose comb face lunges.

And then I have a 10s unit that I put on certain parts of my left ear that stimulate the Arnold branch to the biggest nerve. There are other devices like now I'm seeing a slew of new devices coming out. I know Ben Greenfield has won all Apollo, which I haven't tried yet. But it's a wearable that sends different frequencies and vibrations to serve as an environmental input to your nervous system. And so we've got the sauna, we've got CDP Coleen, we got Vegas nerve exercises,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 14:18

I want to break those down, because you just you just dumped a lot on us, which is all great. So I'm going to go back to the sauna for a minute, because I actually did interview someone. Previously, we talked a lot about saunas. So listeners, please tune into that episode. But I love that you said frequency is more important than duration because I think sometimes individuals think I got to ramp up the tempo to as high as it can go and stay in there until I'm gonna pass out and that's not the case. That's too much. So I like how you said frequency. So what is the frequency you recommend? Are you recommending every other day and what's the max someone should be getting an Asana?

Dr. Tim Jackson 14:53

Well, I think it depends on your starting point. how toxic you are, right how many times a day or how many battles If you're having per day, how hydrated you're staying, because it's easy for me to go sit in a sauna for an hour, hour and a half, and you know, I feel better. I don't feel like re toxified or anything. But you know, if you're having one bowel movement a day or every other day, and you know, you start using the sauna, you may resort to like boxing?

Dr. Stephanie Gray 15:23

Sure, not an easy answer depends on the on the person.

Dr. Tim Jackson 15:26

Yeah. But you know, to try to give you a more direct answer, I would say too much would be, you know, going from never being in one to say 45 minutes a day, six days a week. And you know, over time, you know, obviously, you can build up. But one important point I'd like to make is that even with things like cryotherapy, far infrared saunas, they require a certain amount of health of the hypothalamus, pituitary adrenal thyroid acts. Basically, if thyroid hormone is not optimized, cortisol is too low or too high, then you may not receive the benefits from that for immediate stress. Because we have to remember detoxification is very energy dense.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 16:14

Good point. And I like how you said that also the hormetic stressor, because we don't hear that word very often. But one of my first podcast, I interviewed dr. Terry walls, and her top longevity tip was for me says stressing your body intentionally because she said, we're so used to just sitting in air conditioning, and we're just used to eating constantly and like not stressing your body, not fasting that sitting in saunas are challenging our body. And that that truly is a good longevity tip. And it sounds like you very much agree. So sauna use is important. Now, deep breathing isn't as easy as it sounds. So can you go over just what you recommend for some of your clients? Just kind of, should we be doing that every single day? What What should we be doing from a deep breathing standpoint? Yeah, I

Dr. Tim Jackson 16:56

tell people set an alarm on your phone or on your watch starting out maybe three times a day and focus on your breathing, check in with yourself. See how your breathing Are you breathing, you know, in a shallow manner, what exactly a string spiring what I have people do is focus on when you breathe in, a lot of us want to suck in our stomachs and look like we have six pack abs, but your stomach should go out when air goes in. Once you breathe out, then your stomach should shrink. And so one technique I'll have people lay on their backs, so lay supine, but the shoe or any other object really that safe on their tummy. So they can watch themselves breathe. Sure that alone, just that self awareness, helping people check in with themselves is probably as beneficial as the breathing itself.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 17:51

That's good. I've never heard that. Don't put your cell phone on your belly, you don't need that radiation. Put your shoe like you said put shoe on your belly. Something light, yeah, that you can then just watch rise that almost makes you pause and slow down and watch that happen and makes you breathe. That's a good good tip. So ideally, a couple times a day, we would be checking in and doing that.

Dr. Tim Jackson 18:10

Yeah, and if you track we'll talk about heart rate variability here in a minute. But if you track your heart rate variability, there's not really a good range or optimal range. Universal, it's more about you testing at baseline, and keeping that more and more data points to make sure you're turning upward.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 18:30

Sure, because one individual may need to debrief 20 times a day, if they're really there to stress that they're having a terrible stressful day versus another who has maybe been in more that parasympathetic state, maybe they don't need to do deep breathing every day. So again, it kind of depends on where that person is at. I want to next talk about some of those vagal tone or vagal stimulation exercises. So you mentioned gargling, so what's the trick with dangling How long do you have to guard before what what's the

Dr. Tim Jackson 18:57

aim for a minute at least, you know, you can build up over time, and doesn't matter what you gargle. It can be my zevia drink. It can be water, the mouthwash, whatever, as long as it doesn't have for either. But gargling I would say a minute at least twice a day in conjunction with some of the other vagal nerve exercises can help brightly chewing gum is another one.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 19:23

If the gums not toxic, right, there's always some caveat. Yeah. What about singing I've heard singing is very good.

Dr. Tim Jackson 19:28

Yeah. And, you know, that is actually why most people don't know that. You know, in yoga when people are gone, um, that is that a frequency that's helped stimulate the vagus nerve, singing, humming both activate the vagus nerve through many different neurological pathways. You can use the tongue depressor where you stick it back just far enough to elicit the gag reflex. A lot of people don't want to do that one. And I totally understand

Dr. Stephanie Gray 19:58

that when I could sing I'd rather sing or do something More plus.

Dr. Tim Jackson 20:03

One other way is to new Cold face punches. aware, you know, you feel you're saying with cold water and ice, and you either splash the water in your face, or you get your face into the water. And that stimulates something called the divers reflex, which helps increase bakeable tongue

Dr. Stephanie Gray 20:24

and are called ice baths along that same premise to

Dr. Tim Jackson 20:27

Yeah, they are. What I find with a lot of my patients and clients is that, you know, when they come to me, they have various physiological and environmental and emotional stressors. So doing a long cold ice bath may be perceived by the body as an additional stressor.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 20:45

And it won't be that

Dr. Tim Jackson 20:46

way forever. It's about managing their allostatic load. So when I can correct some of those imbalances, then they can go back to doing the cold bath. But yeah, cold baths are great,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 20:57

great tips. And you even mentioned the adverse child events score the ACE score, I interviewed Dr. Keisha Ewers recently. And she went in depth into that, which is just extremely important, and also neglected many times with conventional medicine. So that's, that's wonderful as well. So tell us some reasons why, why we're needing to incorporate these activities. So why are we so sympathetic dominant? What are some of the triggers for that, obviously, high stress, if we're, you know, trying to just be top performers or athletes, they're going to have high cortisol, they're going to be in that sympathetic state, sometimes intentionally. But what are some other reasons why we're stuck in that sympathetic dominant state?

Dr. Tim Jackson 21:35

Yes. So let's define stress. You know, a lot of people think of getting stuck in traffic, or having a disagreement or argument with someone. But that's emotional, psychological stress, and definitely that for you, but also systemic infections, viruses, self pathogens, dysbiosis, in the gut, heavy metal, mold, toxicity, all of those things, anything basically, that creates inflammation, will initiate a sympathetic loop.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 22:05

So someone could not have a lot of psychological stress in our life. I see this women come to me and they're like, I don't know what's wrong with me. I have no reason to have these symptoms. I'm happily married. I'm financially secure. Like, why why is my body and the stress state, but it could be something else, like an infection, even something like mold? Is that something that you look for in your patients and mold toxicity as well?

Dr. Tim Jackson 22:26

So I've been studying mold since 2009, when a friend of mine gave me the book mold warriors by Dr. Shoemaker. I have the I don't even like calling it this, but the dreaded genotype. Like he does. Yeah, me too. Yeah. And so I don't use a lot of the markers that shoe maker recommends anymore. And more utilize the urine mycotoxin test. Me too. Yep. And, you know, I tell people, if your results are elevated, I can't say that all this came from your house or your office, or the grocery store, it's probably a combination of things. But testing for those infections. And then, you know, it initiates something called the cell danger response.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 23:11

We haven't talked about a lot on this podcast, but I've heard Neil Nathan talk about this a lot. So tell our listeners about the the cell danger response.

Dr. Tim Jackson 23:18

So the cell danger response is basically, you know, no cell is an island, like cells are constantly communicating. And when there's a stressor, or a physiological imbalance, they communicate that. And so sometimes he tried to get out of the cell, they respond and you still really toxic, it's not gonna work. So toxins can put you in the cell danger, response infections, and I like to describe it as sort of a sympathetic response at the cell level.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 23:49

I like it. Never heard of it that way. But yeah, I like that.

Dr. Tim Jackson 23:51

Yeah. And so with mold, I mean, that affects everything from what flow to the brain, to mitochondrial health, to mood to energy. One thing that all mycotoxins have in common is their immunosuppressive, you can take immune boosting supplements, but you got to get the bad stuff out as well.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 24:12

You mentioned mitochondrial, kind of dysfunction there. So tell us how that relates to longevity and how you approach that with your clients.

Dr. Tim Jackson 24:20

mitochondrial health is everything. Because when your mitochondria work better, everything works better, you feel smarter, sleep better, you're stronger, you can communicate in a more articulate manner, in terms of approaching the mitochondria. We can look at organic acids. And see, you know, there might be some imbalances but you'd be hard pressed to find someone today who doesn't have you know, some degree of mitochondrial damage because just our own cells producing energy, create some free radicals that in turn damage the mitochondria. And the important thing to know about the mitochondria is they're not surrounded by For those protective proteins that are nuclear DNA double helix, surrounded by, if you're deficient in things like Buddha phi on superoxide case, which is another antioxidant,

Dr. Stephanie Gray 25:14

the internet just cut out for a minute, but I'll repeat that he said superoxide dismutase. And then say the next one. Yeah.

Dr. Tim Jackson 25:19

And so both of those are antioxidants and are needed to protect the mitochondria. And so you know, I have a, an approach that's multifaceted one, you know, we want to protect the mitochondria to we want to fix the mitochondrial membranes, but you can do with things like fast food or bowling in T factor energy supplements like that. And then there are certain toxins that can block like the electron transport chain complex one, if you're loving Coke, G, 10, or carnitine, those can be helpful, but that's only part of the mitochondrial story. And one important link I think your listeners would like to hear is that the mind and nettle stress is directly correlated with mitochondrial health. And what I've read within three minutes, roughly, of experiencing an emotional or psychological stressor, your mitochondria begin to decline.

And when your mitochondria decline in function, you can do all the other things with the antioxidants, etc. But it's not going to be as fruitful as you want. Another tool that I like to use for mitochondrial health and overall body health is molecular hydrogen. I have a machine that makes the water and has the nasal canula. What makes molecular hydrogen unique is it's really small, and it can get into the mitochondria where it needs to go. And not only does it help regenerate damaged mitochondria, it helps stimulate the production of new mitochondria.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 26:57

We have always carried the molecular hydrogen little fizzy tablets, so you can drop in your water. Yeah, most I think almost everyone can benefit from molecular hydrogen accepted those with hydrogen based CBOE. Yep. And I've experienced that myself by that, Why can I not tolerate this? Okay, my CBOE must not be gone. I took it and I felt worse.

Dr. Tim Jackson 27:16

I'm glad you said that. Yeah, the only other person I known said that.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 27:20

So you alluded to a while back heart rate variability. So let's go back to that. So that's a means of kind of tracking the health of the autonomic nervous system. So tell us what heart rate variability is, how we can incorporate it, why it's important, it wouldn't be

Dr. Tim Jackson 27:35

what we consider common sense. And think that, you know, our heart rate should be the same every minute, it should be constant. But actually, the more you can fluctuate, or the more your heart rate is able to fluctuate, the healthier and more resilient you are. So I call that a physiological buffer zone. You know, you have more room for stressors and heart rate variability, you know, in terms of measuring it, there's many devices out there. And it's not about comparing your number to someone else's. It's about taking the baseline measurement, implementing some of the things we've discussed, and tracking it over time to make sure that it's trending up.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 28:20

But what's your favorite? Tell us what your favorite

Dr. Tim Jackson 28:24

heart rate variability? Yeah, so the aura ring, okay. Yeah, but and that, you know, also tells you about the amount of time you're spending in different stages of sleep with heart rate variability, even some of the professional strength coaches, I know for certain NFL teams use it because the best athletes in the world, people will think that they're just revved up all the time. But they're actually parasympathetic, parasympathetic, sympathetic, and then back to parasympathetic.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 28:51

Getting yourself back to that parasympathetic state is so important to me. That's how we heal and recover. And that's probably the best longevity tip we could really provide to our audience is just teaching them how to improve that parasympathetic state because that tone because that's, that's what we need more of, and especially this time in the world, a lot of people are in the fight or flight again, I love how you also mentioned that you worked with athletes. What else do you recommend for athletes?

Dr. Tim Jackson 29:21

It depends on how much they're buying into this. Usually they're seeking my help outside of, they're like, well, the team doctor didn't mention this. I'm like, Well, if the only thing you have to do is surgery, and that's what you're going to do. More and more athletes are incorporating things like red light therapy, which helps mitochondrial health and stimulates collagen production and nitric oxide. But other things I have athletes view the 10s unit on the ear. I'm gonna have a lot of people do that, but especially athletes, and I have them track very closely their heart rate your ability because you know They do a full body or an upper body workout that day, their heart rate variability is low, then their risk for injury is increased.

And so there's actually a company that has a little device that you can put on players. And I'm not sure exactly how it works yet, cuz I just learned about it recently. But you know, it can tell you Okay, this player, if he stays in one more play, and one more rep, he's gonna pull a hamstring or something. Wow. And so yeah, the exercises, in my opinion are good. But when you've been stuck with low vagal tone for quite some time, it's going to take something like a combination of the exercises, the 10, geonet, the CDP, Coleen, all of those things. Now, the end traditional medicine, and you know more about this than I do, but they have implantable they just nerve stimulator. Right, right. Everything from Ms. Parkinson's, etc.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 31:01

So yeah, similar concept. Use for a little different means but yeah, maybe makes sense. gifts, you've given us so many, like a biohacker, you've given us so many, so many tips, I imagine you've piqued the interest of many listeners. So tell us where listeners can find you. Are you on social media? Where can they find you,

Dr. Tim Jackson 31:19

your body.org dot orgy. And I am. If you search for Dr. Tim Jackson on Facebook, they'll find my page. And I'm learning to use Instagram more and more. It's Dr. Ken Jackson, Dr. Tim Jackson.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 31:33

If someone wants to email me or contact me, for my website, use the code Dr. Gray has been out for a number of different consultations and programs, I will have a special discount for them. Wonderful. It's one thing to kind of hear all these tips. But it's you can take your health to another level when you work with a practitioner, like yourself or myself to help you interpret this data, right. So you track your heart rate variability, but you may not know what the heck it means or how to look at the graphs and what you could be utilizing more of. So I think using our expertise can be very valuable. I understand you also have a free gift for listeners. So we talked a little bit about mold today. And I know this has to do with mold. So expand on that.

Dr. Tim Jackson 32:17

So this is going to be a mold checklist, it's going to include things to look for in your home or office symptoms, yes or no, you have the symptom. And it's also going to include a list of products people can purchase at the health food store, or various local stores that will help create an environment that is not conducive to mold growth. And it will also have a few supplement recommendation.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 32:43

Wonderful. We all need that. We had a huge storm here. And I will recently and we already have had two floods here. We've already had, I mean, a lot of patients already have had mold. And then we had the storm and half of our city needs new roofs if not the entire city. And it's going to be yours every mediation here. So I know. mold is something many of my patients already have but many of their friends and family are now going to have challenges with and so I really want to get the word out there using things like your your free gift that you're offering to our clients. So take advantage of that. That'll be posted in the show notes. Thank you so much for coming on the show and just rattling off all these

Dr. Tim Jackson 33:19

lines for having me Dr. Gray, I appreciate it and you're doing a lot of good work looks like doing way more than I am. But I'm just trying to keep up.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 33:27

Well, I think our goal is to help our patients create more resilience to the stressors that life brings. So I'm happy to hear that you are better. After the journey you've gone through and now you're doing the same thing. I am worth spreading the word to help others. So great minds think alike. I think we have a lot in common and I know we're on the same mission. So thank you for coming on the show today.

Dr. Tim Jackson 33:47

Thanks for having me.

Dr. Stephanie Gray 33:49

That concludes another episode. I love interviewing all these experts. This time reminds me what lifestyle changes I can improve in. Dr. Jackson reminded us how important heart rate variability and that parasympathetic tone is, we need to be able to bounce back from the sympathetic state to a calm parasympathetic state. Now how am I going to do that? Well, I actually purchased an aura ring and tonight I'm going to try gargling for a minute after brushing and flossing my teeth. I'd encourage you to to pick something you learned today and implement it today. Want to work with Dr. Jackson use code Dr. Gray 10 for 10% off your initial consult, you can schedule with him at heal your body.org and his social media links will be posted in the show notes. Be sure to check out my book your longevity blueprint.

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